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Esser Agaroth's avatar

Needed to be said.

When will Jews finally understand that the Land of Israel, the State of Israel, and the regime of the State are three completely different things?

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Chananya Weissman's avatar

Well, two different things. The regime and the state are inseparable. We are a nation with a land. The state is a corporate entity.

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Esser Agaroth's avatar

I may be nitpicking, but my point was that the State COULD have chosen or evolved into a more Torah-focused regime. But maybe in hindsight I (and all true, Religious Zionists) can see that was never going to happen, and never will.

We pray three times a day for the return of a King/Kingdom. I also thought it odd that Jews couldn't see that this must entail either the fall of the State or a massive transformation of it. I also thought it odd that "Religious Zionists" would not what to work toward this goal. The "rabbis" have held them back at every turn. https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/pray-for-the-state-of-israel-why

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Chananya Weissman's avatar

For most of my life I believed the people who ran the country were real Jews with a "pintele Yid" inside who genuinely wanted to do what was best but were ignorant/cowardly/corrupt. I believed their "allies" would betray them, there would be a serious crisis, the IDF would fail, and the leaders would do real teshuva.

Now I know better. Live and learn. There's no shame in that.

Halevai everyone else who grew up with these mistaken beliefs, largely through no fault of their own, would be humble enough and intellectually honest enough to follow my example.

Fringe benefit: they won't be such easy prey.

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Ben F's avatar

We need a new flag

1. Hexagram flag: flag of the erev rav

2. Palestine flag: flag of amalek

3: Moshiach flag: originally made to protest the Oslo accords but today it means "the lubavitcher Rebbe is alive (he just had an occultation like the 12th mahdi lehavdil) and we are awaiting his Second Coming)

4 Jolly Roger flag; looks like pirate flag, seems that they went into the otzem yadi category

5. Purple hashem hu Melech flag. I can't really find anything objectionable other than subjective aesthetics: its purple (odd color for flag) and is text based, not symbol based

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Sara Regensberg's avatar

I totally agree with you. But as long as the Erev-Rav regime is still in power, there is no point in changing the flag. This flag has in fact been pushed on us by the occultist Rothschild family, who had their surname changed from Bauer to Rothschild (meaning: Magen Adom). According to Professor Gershom Scholem, the so-called Star of David is not a Jewish symbol. It never was. It can be found in ancient churches, in Buddhism, Hinduism and it used to be on the Moroccan flag until the Zionists officially used it as their symbol. It is also a symbol heavily used in alchemy and the occult, besides the pentagram. So no matter how much people try to make it fit, it just doesn't.

I am sure that when MBD comes he will change it. I personally would like a flag with Yehoshua bin Nun and Calev ben Yefuneh, carrying the big cluster of grapes. They were the only two of the meraglim who brought back a good report about the land. Likewise, a menorah like the one used in the Bais HaMikdash would also be nice.

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Ben F's avatar

We don't need to wait for Moshiach for anything. I won't wave that the hexagram flag now, I won't wave it never.

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Sara Regensberg's avatar

I am not waving it, either. Never did. All I said was that it makes no sense to have a new Jewish flag for a fake Jewish state.

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Ben F's avatar

Whether the Jewish state is real or fake, that's not part of halacha. What matters is that we follow halacha. We need to defend ourselves and do kibush haaretz, part of halacha. not to do dangerous things for no reason such as walk into a booby Trapped tunnel. Chayecha kodmin, and there is not even an actual person that we know is in there. Also, pidyon shvuyim is not part of milchemes mitzvah.

Killng the enemies before they kill us, learning actual Halacha Rules of engagement. This is what matters

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Chananya Weissman's avatar

Kibush ha'aretz is not a halacha, it's a mitzvah, and it's not one we are mandated to do at the present time. Please don't throw around halachic terms without any context or authority. Your heart is in the right place, but this isn't Torah. Halacha is not decided in the comments section on social media.

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Ben F's avatar

I agree that halachic terms should be used carefully and with sources. That’s why I try to cite primary sources like the Ramban and link to current rabbinic discussions. I’m not trying to pasken—I’m trying to engage seriously with Torah ideas and challenge assumptions respectfully.

If something I said is incorrect, I’m open to correction—but calling it “not Torah” without engagement in sources or explanation feels more like a silencing tactic than a halachic one. Wouldn’t it be more productive to respond with your view of the correct halachic framing?

Of course—no one is trying to pasken shailos on Substack. But discussing Torah ideas, including halacha and mitzvot, in a respectful and sourced way is how many people engage in learning today. The Gemara is full of passionate arguments in marketplaces, gates, and casual settings—not just the Beit Midrash.

If Torah discussions are off-limits in public forums, that risks gatekeeping Torah from people who don’t have access to traditional frameworks. Why not make this space an opportunity for real learning?

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Ben F's avatar

1. Can you please explain how we determine where halacha may or may not be discussed? I understand that discussing halacha in the bathroom is prohibited—but beyond that, is there a halachic source that limits public Torah discussion, such as online comments? Rather than shutting down the conversation like a gatekeeper, wouldn’t it be more constructive to actually clarify what the halacha is, so others can learn?

2. If you’re particular about phrasing, I’m happy to clarify: the halacha is to fulfill the mitzvah of kibush haaretz—that is, there is a halachic obligation to perform this mitzvah.

3. What is your source for saying that kibush haaretz is not mandatory today? I haven’t found a clear halachic authority who rules that it no longer applies—except those who cite the Three Oaths, which, as you and I both know, are widely considered aggadic and not binding halacha. Here’s a primary source from the Ramban:

🔗 https://www.sefaria.org/Numbers.33.53?lang=bi&aliyot=0&p2=Ramban_on_Numbers.33.53.1&lang2=bi

And here’s a contemporary discussion:

🔗 https://www.yeshiva.co/midrash/27869 (I don’t have all the sources the author brings, but his framing is helpful.)

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